Fitness expert Fitz Koehler did everything “right” and still got breast cancer. She joins Out of Patients to talk exercise oncology, survivorship, wellness snake oil, and why fitness cannot prevent every diagnosis but can help prepare the body for what comes next.

Retail executive and breast cancer survivor Farla Efros approached cancer the same way she rescued struggling companies: with strategy, discipline, and relentless preparation. She explains why patients are forced to become CEOs of their own care and why the system rewards those who can.